1 00:00:05,209 --> 00:00:14,910 what I'm about to tell you is about an 2 00:00:09,150 --> 00:00:16,679 event that never happened I used to tell 3 00:00:14,910 --> 00:00:19,500 the people before when we get done was 4 00:00:16,679 --> 00:00:23,039 it's one of these things that says who 5 00:00:19,500 --> 00:00:27,000 you going to believe your lying eyes or 6 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:28,519 the government I'm John Callahan I was 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,379 the vision chief of the accidents 8 00:00:28,518 --> 00:00:33,359 valuations an investigation division of 9 00:00:31,379 --> 00:00:38,039 the FAA in Washington for six years 10 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:40,500 during the 1980s in early January 1987 i 11 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:42,808 received a call from the air traffic 12 00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:46,500 quality control branch in the FAA's 13 00:00:42,808 --> 00:00:48,839 Alaskan region office they were 14 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:52,429 requesting guidance and what to tell the 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:54,660 media who were overflowing their office 16 00:00:52,429 --> 00:00:56,969 the meeting was requesting information 17 00:00:54,659 --> 00:01:00,479 about the UFO that chased is Japanese 18 00:00:56,969 --> 00:01:04,140 747 across the Alaskan skies for some 31 19 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:08,569 minutes at flight level 310 31,000 and 20 00:01:04,140 --> 00:01:11,609 35,000 feet somehow the word got out 21 00:01:08,569 --> 00:01:15,169 what UFOs wanted this take place why 22 00:01:11,609 --> 00:01:19,049 wasn't Washington headquarters in forms 23 00:01:15,170 --> 00:01:20,640 hey the guy says who believes in UFOs I 24 00:01:19,049 --> 00:01:22,920 just need to know what to tell the media 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:25,939 to get him out of here the answer was 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:29,700 simple tell him it's under investigation 27 00:01:25,938 --> 00:01:32,099 and then I said wrap it all up I want 28 00:01:29,700 --> 00:01:33,930 the disk i want the tapes i want 29 00:01:32,099 --> 00:01:36,379 everything you have over the ni one at 30 00:01:33,930 --> 00:01:39,079 the FAA's tech center tomorrow morning 31 00:01:36,379 --> 00:01:41,728 that means he has to put it on the 32 00:01:39,078 --> 00:01:45,169 midnight flight from the red line and 33 00:01:41,728 --> 00:01:45,170 it's a pain to get all that done 34 00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:51,149 Japanese airline flight 1628 was a cargo 35 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:53,688 jet with a pilot copilot and one crew 36 00:01:51,149 --> 00:01:59,218 member they were just north of Anchorage 37 00:01:53,688 --> 00:02:00,688 it was about 11 p.m. but that's the time 38 00:01:59,218 --> 00:02:03,089 is not really correct it was closer to 39 00:02:00,688 --> 00:02:05,879 five when the pilot first reported the 40 00:02:03,090 --> 00:02:07,200 UFO he described it as a huge ball with 41 00:02:05,879 --> 00:02:10,288 lights running around that he said it 42 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,420 was about four times bigger than the 747 43 00:02:10,288 --> 00:02:12,669 he was riding and remembered a 747 as an 44 00:02:12,419 --> 00:02:14,708 L 45 00:02:12,669 --> 00:02:16,479 aveda and he's looking out the window 46 00:02:14,709 --> 00:02:20,890 when he sees something that's four times 47 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:23,709 the size of his aircraft he said he saw 48 00:02:20,889 --> 00:02:28,089 it with his eyes his lying eyes he saw 49 00:02:23,709 --> 00:02:32,289 it the copilot with them saw it and the 50 00:02:28,090 --> 00:02:34,060 other crewmember all saw it visibly over 51 00:02:32,289 --> 00:02:36,519 the course of next 31 minutes the UFO 52 00:02:34,060 --> 00:02:38,530 jumped miles in a few seconds the radar 53 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:41,200 sweep at that antenna was like 10 54 00:02:38,530 --> 00:02:42,550 seconds so one time he says it's over 55 00:02:41,199 --> 00:02:45,759 here at twelve o'clock in eight miles 56 00:02:42,550 --> 00:02:49,989 and when the antenna goes by we see a 57 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:52,750 target there ten seconds later it is now 58 00:02:49,989 --> 00:02:55,180 behind them six seven miles behind them 59 00:02:52,750 --> 00:02:57,639 so it's going from from eight miles out 60 00:02:55,180 --> 00:03:01,860 here to six or seven miles back here 61 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,859 really in like five or six seconds okay 62 00:03:02,009 --> 00:03:06,310 after receiving the data from Alaska 63 00:03:04,509 --> 00:03:08,500 almost two months late aft this happened 64 00:03:06,310 --> 00:03:10,449 i briefed my boss hobby sofia and the 65 00:03:08,500 --> 00:03:13,090 faa ministry at the time was Admiral 66 00:03:10,449 --> 00:03:14,589 engine and the Admiral said to go to the 67 00:03:13,090 --> 00:03:17,739 text and to find out what's happening I 68 00:03:14,590 --> 00:03:19,659 want to know what's going on now the FAA 69 00:03:17,739 --> 00:03:21,819 had developed a program that was capable 70 00:03:19,659 --> 00:03:23,620 of recreating the traffic on the control 71 00:03:21,819 --> 00:03:27,250 of scope we call it today a plan view 72 00:03:23,620 --> 00:03:29,019 display pbd I instructed the FAA 73 00:03:27,250 --> 00:03:30,909 specialists to synchronize the voice 74 00:03:29,019 --> 00:03:32,230 tapes with the radar data so we could 75 00:03:30,909 --> 00:03:33,909 hear everything the control and the 76 00:03:32,229 --> 00:03:36,759 pilot said and we could be looking at 77 00:03:33,909 --> 00:03:38,650 the scope at the same time so it would 78 00:03:36,759 --> 00:03:42,689 be as if you were standing behind the 79 00:03:38,650 --> 00:03:45,340 controller watching what was going on 80 00:03:42,689 --> 00:03:47,680 the printout and radar playback 81 00:03:45,340 --> 00:03:50,979 displayed primary targets in the 82 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,959 vicinity of the 747 these target returns 83 00:03:50,979 --> 00:03:57,488 were displayed about the same time place 84 00:03:52,959 --> 00:04:00,489 as the pilot advised viewing the UFO and 85 00:03:57,489 --> 00:04:05,109 if we had the capability of showing you 86 00:04:00,489 --> 00:04:06,759 this you would see it also cost the CIA 87 00:04:05,109 --> 00:04:09,390 he said you can't see it because it's 88 00:04:06,759 --> 00:04:09,389 not there now 89 00:04:10,729 --> 00:04:16,409 both the radar manual control observed 90 00:04:13,770 --> 00:04:19,170 the primary target the military control 91 00:04:16,410 --> 00:04:21,510 is also viewed the primary target a 92 00:04:19,170 --> 00:04:25,650 narrator and they identify it as a 93 00:04:21,509 --> 00:04:27,839 double primary a very large primary the 94 00:04:25,649 --> 00:04:30,000 pilot and crew viewed the target on 95 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:33,469 their radar and they will also able to 96 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:36,209 see the huge UFO LT with their own eyes 97 00:04:33,470 --> 00:04:39,060 now if this craft had been a legit or a 98 00:04:36,209 --> 00:04:41,370 military aircraft in today's the air 99 00:04:39,060 --> 00:04:42,720 traffic operations when the pilot looks 100 00:04:41,370 --> 00:04:45,240 out the window and sees somebody 101 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,740 shooting across his nose or flying along 102 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,870 with the first thing he does is call 103 00:04:46,740 --> 00:04:51,750 their traffic and say hey do you have 104 00:04:48,870 --> 00:04:53,550 traffic at my altitude and the control 105 00:04:51,750 --> 00:04:55,470 would panic looks at the scope and says 106 00:04:53,550 --> 00:04:58,170 no we don't have a traffic at your 107 00:04:55,470 --> 00:05:00,840 altitude well it's an unknown the 108 00:04:58,170 --> 00:05:03,780 traffic control then says we will track 109 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,189 that guy until he lands and we'll have 110 00:05:03,779 --> 00:05:06,959 flight standards meet them down there 111 00:05:05,189 --> 00:05:08,509 we're going to write them up but Paul's 112 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:13,430 ticket will do whatever we have to do 113 00:05:08,509 --> 00:05:17,219 but the pilot basically said it's a UFO 114 00:05:13,430 --> 00:05:19,079 who believes in UFOs and this is the 115 00:05:17,220 --> 00:05:24,060 kind of attitude that the air traffic at 116 00:05:19,079 --> 00:05:25,680 the time so when I went back to 117 00:05:24,060 --> 00:05:27,149 headquarters I gave Admiral England a 118 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,400 quick briefing and showed him the video 119 00:05:27,149 --> 00:05:31,889 he set up a briefing with the President 120 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:34,379 Reagan's scientific staff he told me my 121 00:05:31,889 --> 00:05:36,750 function was to hand this operation off 122 00:05:34,379 --> 00:05:39,149 to those people and those people ended 123 00:05:36,750 --> 00:05:43,160 up being the CIA the president's group a 124 00:05:39,149 --> 00:05:46,109 bunch of grunts that came to the meeting 125 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:48,960 the Admiral says I want you to hand it 126 00:05:46,110 --> 00:05:55,819 off because the FAA does not control 127 00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:55,819 UFOs we want an out of our district now 128 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:02,910 I brought a copy of the video tape I 129 00:06:00,810 --> 00:06:04,978 made I had bought a camera for Christmas 130 00:06:02,910 --> 00:06:08,580 just before this happened and I took a 131 00:06:04,978 --> 00:06:10,019 videotape of it when I got home I showed 132 00:06:08,579 --> 00:06:12,089 it to my wife and my neighbors I made a 133 00:06:10,019 --> 00:06:14,758 copy of it when i went to the to the 134 00:06:12,089 --> 00:06:17,638 briefing we put on this the video for 135 00:06:14,759 --> 00:06:19,410 the people there two or three times so 136 00:06:17,639 --> 00:06:21,000 it takes you know half hour so we'll 137 00:06:19,410 --> 00:06:22,319 talk about now and a half or so they 138 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,389 asked a bunch of questions very 139 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:25,800 intelligent questions they want to know 140 00:06:24,389 --> 00:06:27,329 the speed of the antenna they want to 141 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,300 know the frequency of the antenna they 142 00:06:27,329 --> 00:06:32,129 want to know the beam width of the 143 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:33,629 antenna they want to know the algorithm 144 00:06:32,129 --> 00:06:35,639 for the height find the equipment and 145 00:06:33,629 --> 00:06:39,389 the people i brought up in the room were 146 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:41,280 all headquarters technical engineers 147 00:06:39,389 --> 00:06:43,110 hardware and software people and they 148 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,568 gave those answers like they were a high 149 00:06:43,110 --> 00:06:47,550 school math coach a square b square c 150 00:06:45,569 --> 00:06:50,030 square they spit that stuff right out it 151 00:06:47,550 --> 00:06:58,259 was really amazing what these guys work 152 00:06:50,029 --> 00:07:01,168 when they got done the the CIA said to 153 00:06:58,259 --> 00:07:07,740 all the people there this event never 154 00:07:01,168 --> 00:07:11,639 happened we were never here and you're 155 00:07:07,740 --> 00:07:14,788 all sworn to secrecy we are confiscating 156 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:16,560 all this data and they did they took 157 00:07:14,788 --> 00:07:18,180 everything that was in the room in those 158 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,280 days when you print that out something 159 00:07:18,180 --> 00:07:24,810 from the computer it printed out boxes 160 00:07:20,279 --> 00:07:26,279 and boxes and boxes of the user these 161 00:07:24,810 --> 00:07:29,490 printouts you remember these from the 162 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:32,788 from the days when we used to say it on 163 00:07:29,490 --> 00:07:36,990 TV boxes and boxes of this stuff this is 164 00:07:32,788 --> 00:07:39,629 titled UFO incident at anchorage 11 1886 165 00:07:36,990 --> 00:07:40,978 and it tells you what data is in here so 166 00:07:39,629 --> 00:07:42,839 we could take a chart and we could 167 00:07:40,978 --> 00:07:45,658 reproduce everything that the control is 168 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:51,149 seen on a piece of paper well they took 169 00:07:45,658 --> 00:07:54,000 all that data a few days later they 170 00:07:51,149 --> 00:07:57,649 brought in a few weeks later i guess it 171 00:07:54,000 --> 00:08:02,939 was they brought in the FAA's report of 172 00:07:57,649 --> 00:08:04,468 the event that never happened I hadn't 173 00:08:02,939 --> 00:08:05,699 put it on a little table in my room in a 174 00:08:04,468 --> 00:08:07,468 corner and I said we'll leave it there 175 00:08:05,699 --> 00:08:08,699 and when the CIA wants the rest of the 176 00:08:07,468 --> 00:08:09,069 data element sure they're going to come 177 00:08:08,699 --> 00:08:11,170 and get 178 00:08:09,069 --> 00:08:13,149 it not too long after that they brought 179 00:08:11,170 --> 00:08:16,240 the voice tapes for the same incident 180 00:08:13,149 --> 00:08:18,389 and we put that on top of that package 181 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:21,220 waiting for the CIA to come and get it 182 00:08:18,389 --> 00:08:25,990 now when I was at the tech center I had 183 00:08:21,220 --> 00:08:27,940 the software engineers and the hardware 184 00:08:25,990 --> 00:08:30,699 engineers put together a chart that 185 00:08:27,939 --> 00:08:33,909 would show every target along the route 186 00:08:30,699 --> 00:08:35,830 of flight and what they did is they 187 00:08:33,909 --> 00:08:37,689 commented on it this is when we first 188 00:08:35,830 --> 00:08:39,220 saw the UFO this is when the pilot sort 189 00:08:37,690 --> 00:08:41,979 of your focus was the military guy saw 190 00:08:39,220 --> 00:08:44,410 the UFO all the way down here this two 191 00:08:41,979 --> 00:08:45,639 of these it's it's ripped off here a 192 00:08:44,409 --> 00:08:47,529 little bit because it ended up in my 193 00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:50,319 bond for a couple of years and I didn't 194 00:08:47,529 --> 00:08:54,699 know it was in the box and the mice were 195 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:57,550 eating it when I got down with this 196 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:59,650 briefing now we're talking to the 197 00:08:57,549 --> 00:09:01,979 engineers that build the air traffic 198 00:08:59,649 --> 00:09:04,240 control system hardware and software 199 00:09:01,980 --> 00:09:05,860 when they get done hanging this up on 200 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,740 the wall I said tell me what those dots 201 00:09:05,860 --> 00:09:11,399 are what is it the hardware engineers 202 00:09:08,740 --> 00:09:14,440 get up and said this problem over here 203 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:17,279 that's a software problem and this one 204 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:19,990 over here software problem every time 205 00:09:17,279 --> 00:09:22,600 all the way down it's a software problem 206 00:09:19,990 --> 00:09:25,450 there's nothing wrong with our hardware 207 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:28,720 system so I should find it makes sense 208 00:09:25,450 --> 00:09:33,040 to me so the software guy gets up and he 209 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:36,100 says this target over here that's a 210 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:39,099 hardware problem and this one here a 211 00:09:36,100 --> 00:09:41,529 hardware problem there was no software 212 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:44,889 problems and there was no hardware 213 00:09:41,529 --> 00:09:46,779 problems well what do we have if we 214 00:09:44,889 --> 00:09:49,240 don't have anything do we ever tied it 215 00:09:46,779 --> 00:09:53,709 there or not well one man get up and 216 00:09:49,240 --> 00:10:00,279 said my religion forbids me to believe 217 00:09:53,710 --> 00:10:01,920 in UFOs so I said fine i gave the the 218 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:04,870 brief and they carried all the stuff 219 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:07,479 they took it out this stuff stayed in my 220 00:10:04,870 --> 00:10:08,830 office for two years when i left one of 221 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,090 the specialists commanded and i were to 222 00:10:08,830 --> 00:10:11,950 get me out they packed up everything 223 00:10:10,090 --> 00:10:13,870 that was hanging there all the stuff on 224 00:10:11,950 --> 00:10:18,270 the walls and they put it in boxes and 225 00:10:13,870 --> 00:10:18,269 shipped it to my house today 226 00:10:18,339 --> 00:10:22,870 I like to say that most people working 227 00:10:20,470 --> 00:10:25,709 as faa controllers they're not really 228 00:10:22,870 --> 00:10:29,110 familiar with how the fááá system works 229 00:10:25,708 --> 00:10:31,748 they don't know why aircraft traveling 230 00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:35,680 through our airspace is not displayed 231 00:10:31,749 --> 00:10:39,159 under scope they don't know why I do but 232 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:41,438 they don't the system today in the 233 00:10:39,159 --> 00:10:44,740 organization of the FAA is not 234 00:10:41,438 --> 00:10:47,799 configured to identify and track these 235 00:10:44,740 --> 00:10:49,769 type of performances that's the end of 236 00:10:47,799 --> 00:10:55,049 my speech who are you going to believe 237 00:10:49,769 --> 00:10:55,049 you lyin eyes or the government